If this is your first visit, be sure to My experience - South Asia DNA was a good marker for me. There seems to have not only been a fair amount of intermarrying, but use of the same names both within different generations and different related families. Congrats on your DNA test! Which was in the 1800's, not what one would expect with 2% South Asia DNA. I doubt that records were very clear about who was or wasn't Romani. https://www.familytreedna.com/products.aspx, http://ancestraldnaexplained.blogspot.com/, Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk, RootsChat.com, Europa House, Bury, Lancashire, BL9 5BT United Kingdom. Would be nice if gedmatch would come up with a calculator that is specific for Romanichal ancestry. check out the. Romany DNA - what would you expect to see? Romanichal is a see also of gypsy.... Noun (gypsies) (sometimes, offensive) : a member of the Romani people. Mutation History of the Roma/Gypsies (Australia Labs etc). I could possibly have such a connection via my direct maternal line, as well as one or two other maternal lines. @ Timothy, Recently a Mr. Thomason Y DNA tested he too is in. This is based on my Ancestry test, which gives me "<1%" South Asian. I'll show you some interesting things you can do on GEdmatch. I have a few of those names connected to FF matches. RootsChat.com cannot be held responsible directly or indirectly for the messages or content posted by others. It makes sorting out the trail very difficult ... Could these be the same Smith's that you're talking about? My father & his maternal first cousins, as well as some of his second cousins consistently show about 2 to 3% South Asian. In a surprising development, a man whom I'm helping research his grandmother has been told she may be Romanichal. All times are GMT-6. I think that transportation to the colonies was the "final solution" the English used to address the "gypsy problem". I should also mention this as it seems to be relivant to the discussion. There are 3 Romanichal Smith Y DNA participants, this one Ingram is a 64/67 match with all 3 Smith participants. For example, most people don't know how to follow an X chromosome match back to the common ancestor. This is worth particular attention because this 23andme ancestry composition tool claims to only detect DNA within the last 500 years. This heritage has largely been occluded. I would expect the Roma and Sinti to have a higher H1a percentage. They also have percentages for Red Sea, Eastern Mediterranean, etc. I found a very close relative there, and he matches quite nicely with me on my X chromosome. Or have you come across people in your own research that look as though they may led a travelling lifestyle? Uploaded it to Gedmatch and got quite a few matches. This was confirmed when I put my DNA data of GEDmatch. Romanichal Family Research & DNA Group has 1,072 members. Several of those names are seen in Virginia and etc. Mitochondrial DNA Variability in Slovaks, with Application to the Roma Origin (Russia, Slovakia and Czech Institutes). I am a participant in the Leicester University Romani DNA study, and recently I got my Y DNA results back. I am a participant in the Leicester University Romani DNA study, and recently I got my Y DNA results back. DNA study finds that European Gypsies left their ancestral home in north-west India 1,400 years ago. Hi there, thanks for the reply! Roma people in England are traditionally known as ‘Gypsies’ because of the medieval belief that they originated in Egypt. I had my DNA test on Ancestry. I think for English Romanys a lot of Iberian got mixed in. Late reply, but are these mostly Romanichal individuals? All Census Lookups are Crown Copyright, National Archives for academic and non-commercial research purposes only. The Ingram's of Pittsylvania County Va and Halifax County Va, the one Ingram whom has done the 67 marker test, he is a 64/67 Y DNA match to the Romanichal Smith DNA participants of England. I just got my dna data back, I have a really busy few weeks, cant wait till I have a spare monent to do some more research with the new information. But I never really used it, worked as a Chemist instead. Paternal genetic history of the Vlax Roma (Zalan, Beres, Pamjav, Hungary Istit). I believe that you can do a deeper dna test which is the "Fathers line" or "The mothers line" on the Family dna site. I'm trying to rule out or in a possibility here for a male ancestor who was born in the late 1840s. While I have not identified any H1a Smith men from the colonial American era, if Ingram and Smith shared a common male ancestor as I believe, we do have a Romanichal Smith connection to Virginia then but using the Ingram surname. I have British and Eastern European (my mums non-gypsy side, I expected this) so I assume the Iberian Peninsuala (Spain/Italy/Portugal) results are my dad's Romany gypsy side. RootsChat.com is a totally free family history forum to help you. All times are GMT-6. So I have started a blog for anyone who'd like to know how to use genetics in their ancestry searching. None of the Romany families I know have dna from Asia though, so Im thinking there are more of us with Spanish gypsy blood than we actually realise. How much South Asian do Romanichals normally see if they run their results through gedmatch's Eurogenes13? 46% in R1b* 22% in H1a - M82 8% in J2* 6% in I1* 3% in I 3% in R1a1 From what I have found on-line, it appears the Romanichals, or English Gypsies, arrived in England in the 1600s, and before that, the Romani arrived in Europe in the 1400s, coming from the Indian subcontinent. This page was generated at 05:50 AM. I also got a Y Haplogroup report from that study. A group for discussion about families with Romnichals, Rumnichals or Rumney history who still live in UK and their ancestors who left England and went to or now live in America or other countries that are proven related. Especially if the participant has no record or clue of South Asian ancestry? Is there a story in your family that one of your ancestors was a Romany Gypsy? Romanichal Travellers (UK: / ˈ r ɒ m ə n ɪ tʃ æ l / US: /-n i-/), (more commonly known as English Gypsies or English Travellers) are a Romani sub-group in the United Kingdom and other parts of the English-speaking world.. Romanichal Travellers are thought to have arrived in the Kingdom of England in the 16th century. In Britain, that is mostly the people in Cornwall and maybe Wales. We only have 2% South Asia DNA, so it was more important to do a little family history than a DNA test, to find out when my ancestors were in the Romany culture. Yet, I have to wonder. Inline images in messages are the copyright of the respective linked sites. Also, Googling about Gypsies, etc., one source gives a list of surnames (in England) that have Romani members. Romanichal Family Research & DNA Group has 1,072 members. I'm going to PM you with my gedmatch number, you can pm me back with yours. No surprise to me because I had already Y DNA tested with FTDNA, Leicester confirmed I am in Y Haplo H1a - M82. Its at: Thank you for sharing your knowledge on this. Interesting ... my mother's mother's ancestry traces to the Smith's of Harlan Co. Kentucky and the times of (and times preceding) the Howard-Turner Feud. Now that I'm not working, I'm discovering that a lot of people don't know how to use genetics in their DNA genealogy search. This site matches your dna with other peoples, so you use your dna to build your family tree and this way can build a picture if there is a romany lineage. Mitochondrial DNA Diversity in the Polish Roma (Russia, Polonia academis). by Sandra Rimmer for Ancestry - Genealogy & DNA. If this is your first visit, be sure to Romanichal's of England and Scotland adopted common surnames, Lock(e), Smith, Lee, Boswell, Stanley, Gray, Cooper, Blyth, Gordon, Ballie / Bailey, Young, Campbell, Ingram just to name a few of the family surnames. Every time a person runs his raw data through Eurogenes at gedmatch & gets a South Asian return over 1%, does it imply Romani heritage? If we put into perspective that Romani people left Northern India say between the 6th and 11th centuries, one would expect them to score exclusively just 'broadly' Central-South Asian and maybe have more 'unassigned' segments, but it doesn't look to be the case. A group for discussion about families with Romnichals, Rumnichals or Rumney history who still live in UK and their ancestors who left England and went to or now live in America or other countries that are proven related. Once you've submitted your DNA sample, you'll be eligible to join the "Romania" project if you have ancestors who lived in Romania in either or both of the genetic lines being tested. (offensive) An itinerant person or any person suspected of making a living from dishonest practices or theft; a member of a nomadic people, not necessarily Romani; a carny. Nevertheless, I was able to find the following estimates for the frequencies of Y-DNA haplogroups among Romanian people: 7.4% E 5.6% G 22.2% I or I2 5.6% J 20.4% R1a 13% R1b I'm not surprised at all really....But it's good to see the test results. This is confirmed via a paper trail with the word "Hawker" on a census return. Casaubon (Geneva, London), Daulinge, Berners, McMullen (Nottingham), Tabb (Leics), Mycock (Derbys & Staffs), Gilbert (Notts), Price (s Wales), Krilovs/similar, gypsy Roberts, gypsy Clark, Bexell (Sussex), gypsy Elliott, Raven, Neligan (Co Kerry), Rymer, Newton (Hull). In comparison with other European ethnic groups, it is comparatively hard (as of 2012) to find detailed data on Romanian DNA. They forget that it can be passed from father to daughter. Re: Romany DNA - what would you expect to see? Back in 1982, I got my Master's degree in Genetics. Proving a Romanichal connection from the Colonial era is especially difficult because they were considered a free "White" person. A family story from her Grandma always said they had this background. check out the. I am a DNA match to someone in the Stanley family, and he was thoughtful enough to send me a reply with some of my surnames that are often used by Romany's. Was your ancestor a Gypsy? This page was generated at 05:50 AM. She is MTDNA H3b1b. My wife has a Romany ancestry via her maternal line. Family Tree DNA: Genetic Testing Service Many Balkan people have already taken advantage of DNA testing to learn about their connections with other families and ethnic groups, both near and far. A group for discussion about families with Romnichals, Rumnichals or Rumney history who still live in UK and their ancestors who left England and went to or now live in America or other countries that are proven related.
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